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Interview Article with Arvence Muhammad: A Discussion on the Book, The Mother Plane

  Photo Credit: Arvence Muhammad

In this very inspiring and electrifying interview with Arvence Muhammad, he discussed two books that should be read to gain an understanding of the Mother Plane, and the baby planes that are often taught by The Honorable Elijah Muhammad, and The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan of The Nation Of Islam. Others have referred to these objects as UFOS or UAPS. Arvence Muhammad also, shared with me his personal experiences and sightings of the baby planes. 

In an article titled, The Scientific Investigation of Unidentified  Aerial Phenomena (UAP) Using Multimodal Ground-Based Observatories, (Watters et al., 2023), states "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), also known as Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) and Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena, have captured the public's imagination since the late 1940s but have so far attracted very little scientific interest". 

Also discussed in the article, from Blumenthal and Cooper, was that "The recent intensification of interest in UAP began in December 2017 when articles published in the New York Times (NYT) revealed allegedly credible multi-sensor observations of UAP by United States military personnel (Blumenthal, 2017; Cooper et al., 2017, 2019). These objects reportedly performed extraordinary maneuvers without a visible means of propulsion or aerodynamic control. Three videos captured by U.S. military personnel showing purported UAP were made public in 2017 and 2018 by the NYT and To The Stars (TTS), and later authorized for release by the Department of Defense in April 2020 (DoD, 2020).

Nadine Muhammad: Please would you tell our readers about yourself?

Arvence Muhammad: My name is Brother Arvence Muhammad and I am a member of The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan's security team. I joined the Nation of Islam in the year 2000 at the age of 19 years old. I first started studying the life giving teachings of The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad when I was in the sixth grade. I had my first experience with what people call UFO's when I was five years old. Since I joined The Nation of Islam my personal experiences with these ships called UFO's have exploded to the point that I see them nearly every week and I can now communicate with the pilots of these ships. 

Nadine Muhammad: Describe some of your experiences and sightings of the what some call Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOS) or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPS) baby planes   or Ezekiel's Wheel that was mentioned in the book,  Message to the Black Man in America by The Honorable Elijah Muhammad?
Arvence Muhammad: My experiences with these ships have been some of the highlights of my entire life. Starting at five years old on the southside of Chicago I saw a small ship come down from the sky in broad daylight, and follow the car that I was in with my mother, my two sisters, and my mother's male friend who was the driver and this ship followed us for fifteen minutes hovering about twenty stories from the ground. The small ship was a stainless steel color and the outter material was very shiny. I remember seeing the suns reflection on the small ship. The ship was very thin and streamlined with a small lip around the middle of the ship. The size of the ship was about the size of an eighteen wheeler trailer. I wasn't afraid at all but my mother, my two sisters, and the male driver of the car were all very afraid. 
Baby Planes in Formation
My first experiences as a member of The Nation of Islam began at the home of The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad at night while securing the outer perimeter of his home. These ships described by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad as baby planes would arrive in different formations, they would arrive and display colors of blue, red, and white and the whole baby plane would display these solid colors of light. I have seen these baby planes arrive in different shapes of triangular, oval, and sphere shaped baby planes.
Speed of the  Baby Planes
I have seen these baby planes display speeds impossible to achieve by any level of technology of today's world. They have displayed speeds so fast that had I blinked I would have never seen it. I have seen these baby planes fly into a cloud so fast that a part of the cloud actually was moved out of the way from the high speed of these baby planes. I have seen them display large formations in the sky of triangular formations, a large formation of what resembles a cross with a large circle at the top, I have seen long strait lines of several hundred of these baby planes appearing and flying over the home of The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan displaying white colors and on seperate occasions display blue colors. 
I have seen these baby planes appear and never move an inch but display their intense brightness and different colors of blue, red, white, and green then completely disappear without moving right in front of me at night.
Sightings of Baby Planes at Night
I have seen some of these baby planes arrive and fly right pass an airplane at night. I have seen these baby planes appear in pairs of two and three then slowly fly away in different directions. I have seen these baby planes arrive and brighten up into a huge bright white light then display two brighter lights shining from inside of these baby planes. I have seen these baby planes shine actual lights at me while watching them at night. I have seen these baby planes arrive to my home in Chicago several times at night, they have arrived to The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan's home several times nearly every week for several years strait, they have arrived to The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad's home in Chicago, they have arrived to Mosque Maryam in Chicago and I have also seen them arrive to Muhammad University of Islam in Chicago at night.
Baby Plane Sighted Near Mosque Maryram, Chicago Illinois 
Once in broad daylight I witnessed a black sphere shaped baby plane arrive over the parking lot of Mosque Maryam in Chicago while The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan was delivering a message inside of the mosque. The baby plane traveled slowly from east to west and as it passed over the parking lot of the Mosque it displayed a red flame kind of light under it then the red flame disappeared as the baby plane passed over the mosque parking lot and left. I watched it until it was out of sight. There were several witnesses of this event at Mosque Maryam in Chicago that day.
Nadine Muhammad:  Would you share some of your drawings or images that you have recorded from your sightings of the baby planes?
Arvence Muhammad: I have been blessed to be a recorder of these baby planes over many years. I have several videos of their arrival to the home of The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan. I don't have too many pictures, but I do have drawings of these sightings that I made myself of what I witness nearly every week. I have over twenty different videos of these baby planes arriving to The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan's home from the security cameras.
Photo Credit: Arvence Muhammad
Photo Description: The above photo is a picture of the baby plane that followed me on the side of the highway.

The security cameras have captured these ships arriving and displaying their formations. I have footage from my personal camcorder of their arrival displaying formations and different colors of light. Any sighting that I do not have pictures or video footage for I just easily make clear drawings of what I witness and I can easily explain what happened in detail as a personal eyewitness. I can describe the spirit, the feelings I felt, the energy and communication I receive from these pilots of these baby planes. I love this experience so much that I feel like a child that is so happy to see it's parents that the child hasn't seen for a long time. All praise is due to Allah! 


Photo: Credit:
Arvence Muhammad 

Photo Description: These two photos above are from the night vision security cameras of the baby planes arriving in a triangular shape and turning the triangular shape after arriving. In person these were large bright red balls of light. Several of these arrived at the time of this photo. 


Nadine Muhammad: In a previous interview, you suggested to listeners the following books to read:  The Mother Plane: Elijah Muhammad's Analysis Of Ezekiel's Wheel, and also From the Motherland to the Mothership: A True Story of Twins Who Reunite, as One Begins an Incredible Odyssey of Interaction with Extraterrestrials from Other Worlds. Would you tell us a little about these books, and why are they so important to read?

Arvence Muhammad: The book entitled "The Mother Plane" by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad is a book of compiled articles written in the Muhammad Speaks Newspaper on this subject. The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad goes into intense detail about the technology of these baby planes, he identifies who the pilots are and how highly trained the pilots are, he identifies who these pilots obey and what the capabilities of these pilots and the baby planes are at any given time without any delay or hesitation. If anyone desires to know anything about the truth of what people call UFO's this book would be an excellent start. You will get the pure truth directly from the source of this technology and the pilots through The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Many scriptures are even listed in this book that supports the facts of what he reveals about these ships and their pilots.


The book entitled "From the Motherland to the Mothership" was written by a Christian woman named Shurlene B. Wallace. She was raised as a Christian and never studied the life giving teachings of The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Her book gives personal accounts and experiences that she has had with these baby planes and the pilots that have come to her home and taken her to different planets, different places in space where she said they have shown her many different ships flying around and she says in her book that we were lied to about human life on planet Earth being the only life that exist in the Universe. She talks about her experience being taken to the planet Mars and seeing people there. She said we were lied to about Mars being a dead red planet with no life there. Many of the experiences she details in her book bears witness to what The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad has taught since the 1930s until this day of life on Mars and of other life in the Universe. Her book details different sized ships or baby planes she was taken to and how they traveled very far into outer space very easily and at a very short amount of time. Her book is a bearing of witness to the truth given by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Many details that she has given in her book has confirmed many things that I was told personally by The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan that I know she doesn't know about. Her book confirmed so much for me that she caused me to remember and understand many experiences that I had in the form of what I thought were dreams. Her book is her personal testimony of truth that Allah (God) caused her to have to bear witness to Him and His Messenger and the truth. The way she wrote her book is in such a way that too many details were given throughout that can't be made up. I highly recommend these two books as well as "Message To The Blackman" by The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad.



Nadine Muhammad: Would you tell us how we can learn more about your experiences with the wheels, like for example,  video recordings? Do you have a YouTube channel or other social media platforms, where we can continue to learn more about your experiences with the baby planes?


Arvence Muhammad:  If anyone desires to learn more about my experiences with these baby planes they can subscribe to my YouTube channel "@theannouncement19". My YouTube channel is where I upload my personal video footage of these baby planes arriving to the home of The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan during the night and during the day. I upload the interviews from different podcast that I have done talking about my experiences and I also upload different messages from The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan talking about this subject. I will upload new videos as well. I also have an email address for those who would like to contact me and tell me any experiences that they have. I would love to hear others experiences. That email address is


Arvence Muhammad: Thank you so much for blessing me with this interview. May Allah (God) bless you and your family. As Salaam Alaikum! 


Nadine Muhammad: Walaikum Salaam! Thank you for taking time out of your schedule to share with us your experiences and providing us with so much information to help deepen our understanding. May Allah (God) continue to bless you as well!

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Watters, W. A., Loeb, A., Laukien, F., Cloete, R., Delacroix, A., Dobroshinsky, S., ... & Zorzano, M. P. (2023). The Scientific Investigation of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) using multimodal ground-based observatories. Journal of Astronomical Instrumentation12(01), 2340006.


  • ASA, brother Arvence I am a registered member of the Nation of Islam. I am very thrilled and very excited to meet you on this platform. I have your YouTube channel and email and I had a personal experience when I was 5 years old. Would love to share it with you. And learn more about your experiences.

    Mulazim Kashif Muhammad
  • I commend Bro. Arvence Muhammad for sharing with the public his sightings of the wheels. His eye witness testimony serves as additional evidence of the existence of these planes that The Honorable Elijah Muhammad and The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan teach of and it is a bearing of witness to the validity of the minister’s vision like experience.

    John A Muhammad

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